From an expense perspective, we've learned that Zoom meetings and conference calls can be an effective way to communicate with stakeholders. There's a lot of things that you can't replace face-to-face with, but I think going forward we'll take a pause at looking at travel and make sure that it's something that has to occur versus something that could occur over a Zoom meeting or something like that. So we'll be mindful of our travel expenses, knowing that we've been so successful the past 18 months with remote.

Aug 11, 2021 / receipt, needs a key / Brian, CFO | earnings call 2021-08-11 | transcript d027453c-d9e2-47aa-bf21-bc0ed74a5836 | chars 40381-40897 | segment 41

We know we're still getting some benefit of lower travel and entertainment, and we'll look to ways to keep that moving forward.

May 5, 2021 / receipt, needs a key / Brian Hertzman, CFO | earnings call 2021-05-05 | transcript bc8ecd44-b8b8-4747-8ffe-34b498383eee | chars 25885-26012 | segment 26