And just Just through what we're seeing right now, obviously our travel and entertainment, as we can see, it's starting the second quarter, is way down. And just because of the stay-in-place orders, we're going to see a lower expense run rate.

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The one thing I would say is my expectation is as we get back into a normal work environment going into 2021, Some of that T&E is going to go back up.

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