You know, our travel budgets have been about zero and we haven't, you know, and sending people out to conferences and doing a lot of stuff that we normally do. So it's a little harder for us to see that, but certainly the third year of the rate case is always the most difficult year of the three-year cycle.

Oct 28, 2021 / CEO / receipt, needs a key / Marty Kropelnicki, CEO | earnings call 2021-10-28 | transcript ac4a53ea-7ff4-47ab-bacb-0c50f4b8db97 | chars 32944-33252 | segment 33