And we also kind of benefited from, you know, the world around our controllable expenses that has to do with sort of conferences and the like still were generally virtual, and our travel just generally was moderated. So we got some benefits from that in 2021.

Nov 2, 2021 / CFO / receipt, needs a key / Mark Patton, CFO | earnings call 2021-11-02 | transcript b0a3872e-e7cf-43c6-8654-fdd9af0abfb4 | chars 15202-15461 | segment 14