Yes, you can expect that to increase coming out of COVID. It's pretty variable, so I'm not going to provide guidance what I think is going to happen in the future. My general view, and I know Scott shares this as our CFO, is this is a good thing. You want to see that increasing. This means we're out there, we're active, our clients want to see us, we're seeing prospects. You know, even, for example, that's the high net worth side, but on the institutional side, so much of it was via Zoom and no travel. And it's way better to meet prospective clients, consultants, and others face-to-face. And that is starting to occur more often as well. So, yes, I would expect a more normalized environment. When it was lower during COVID, we made that point. I don't know what that might look forward to going forward. And I should point out there's also been more international opportunities. I've talked about that in the past. So that's a little bit more expensive travel as well.

Nov 3, 2023 / CEO / receipt, needs a key / Rick Hough, CEO | earnings call 2023-11-03 | transcript 61d094a8-e6a7-4566-bf4a-a96714218fdd | chars 24466-25442 | segment 25