And the second for expenses, it is among the 130 billion, a large part of it will be the general expenses, so the business expenses and also entertainment fees, meeting expenses, event expenses, in our case, for example, consumables for the office works, office supplies, so including those factors, this term, this quarter, we have been able to reduce significantly, and for the business expenses, business travel expenses, of course, it is difficult to move up travel freely, but just looking at a non-consolidated TMC, there is about several billions of reduction in the business travel expenses.

Nov 5, 2020 / CFO / receipt, needs a key / Unnamed Executive (CFO/Finance), CFO | earnings call 2020-11-05 | transcript 9ec73442-c489-4ce1-ae7d-9090e4ae1b6f | chars 15742-16341 | segment 16