And then next thing and maybe the last thing from me is obviously there were 64 million of debt buybacks uh during the during the second quarter how are you guys thinking about debt buybacks obviously your uh your your bonds are trading a little up they're they're closer to 60 now uh than i think they were when you were buying them um are you guys planning on continuing those debt buybacks or maybe a pause now that uh the debt is rallied Yeah, I think that our focus continues to be, you know, debt reduction and expense management, you know, so whether or not we're going to be back opportunistically Buying debt, you know, at this level remains to be seen meaning that, you know, one of the reasons why we wanted to get the, you know, our numbers out there so, you know, the market can have a, you know, a realistic view of where we're going to be, you know, this year.

Aug 13, 2025 / receipt, needs a key / Alfred C. Liggins, CEO | earnings call 2025-08-13 | transcript de740af6-5120-478f-89dd-78f6fac1f273 | chars 12824-13699 | segment 12

Travel and transportation was up 17%, but that's our smallest category.

May 13, 2025 / receipt, needs a key / Peter Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2025-05-13 | transcript 302d10ab-235b-4fac-9721-d9d34a433863 | chars 4779-4850 | segment 4

Telecom, travel, and transportation categories were up.

Mar 27, 2025 / receipt, needs a key / Peter Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2025-03-27 | transcript bb75c030-69a1-40ad-94ef-1c264443f809 | chars 4842-4897 | segment 4

And there was a half million dollar increase in travel to the Urban One Honors event.

Jun 10, 2024 / receipt, needs a key / Peter D. Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2024-06-10 | transcript 158cc49e-7fb3-450d-b104-64bf82ce65e4 | chars 10272-10357 | segment 10

There was an increase of approximately $8.3 million related to Reach's cruise event, $1.2 million in other radio event expenses, $4.6 million in cable TV content amortization, $5 million in employee compensation expenses, $3.8 million in contract labor, talent costs, and consultant fees, $2.7 million in corporate professional fees, $2.2 million in variable expenses, and $1 million in travel, entertainment, marketing, and office expenses.

Dec 7, 2023 / receipt, needs a key / Alfred C. Liggins, CEO | earnings call 2023-12-07 | transcript 65ba2b4b-0673-40d4-8088-81cf5d9daf56 | chars 7582-8023 | segment 7

Travel, entertainment, and office expenses increased by $2.2 million, and outside services, including contract, talent, and consulting fees, increased by $2.5 million.

Jul 7, 2023 / receipt, needs a key / Peter D. Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2023-07-07 | transcript eef7fb19-7381-4f25-9c1c-a555214387f3 | chars 15134-15301 | segment 16

It was a favorable variance of $3.5 million for the non-cash TV1 employment award charge, which was offset by increases in employee compensation, including annual performance bonuses, outside legal fees, third-party software license fees, T&E, recruiting and marketing.

Jul 7, 2023 / receipt, needs a key / Alfred C. Liggins, CEO | earnings call 2023-07-07 | transcript eef7fb19-7381-4f25-9c1c-a555214387f3 | chars 16262-16531 | segment 17

Travel, entertainment, and office expenses increased by $525,000.

Nov 3, 2022 / receipt, needs a key / Peter D. Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2022-11-03 | transcript dc813ff6-74ac-458c-b898-adb372550955 | chars 9752-9817 | segment 10

Services, healthcare, financial, telecoms, travel, and transportation all saw double-digit increases compared to last year, and retail was also up.

Mar 3, 2022 / receipt, needs a key / Peter D. Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2022-03-03 | transcript 6ebe7957-9ef2-4e90-8c8b-f1704685c12a | chars 6999-7146 | segment 7

We saved approximately $1 million in employee compensation expenses and $650,000 in reduced travel and office expenses due to our cost savings initiatives year over year.

May 12, 2021 / receipt, needs a key / Peter Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2021-05-12 | transcript 87b58bdf-832b-48b9-9a53-80360361dbc9 | chars 5528-5698 | segment 5

We also incurred savings of approximately $1 million in radio station special event expenses, $1.1 million in contract labor, talent costs, and consulting and professional fees, approximately $800,000 in reduced travel and office expenses, and about $400,000 in reduced or delayed marketing spend.

Mar 18, 2021 / receipt, needs a key / Peter D. Thompson, CFO | earnings call 2021-03-18 | transcript a6b486e0-5c71-4a16-95ff-64276d4032d0 | chars 7340-7637 | segment 7