Yeah, so if you're looking at SG&A, you know, there are a couple of items that are making that really pop in the second quarter. First of all, you know, we do have some seasonal costs in there with our National Youth Client Conference. That takes place in May of every year. And as much as we'd love to be able to smooth that cost out throughout the year, the costs have to be booked when they're actually incurred, and that all happens in the second quarter. And I think that was for, you know, somewhere between $1.2 and $1.3 million in SG&A. And frankly, the rest of the SG&A cost increase in the second quarter was really all EBITDA neutral stuff from non-recurring charges, partly related to the severance event that Chris mentioned on the voluntary early retirement program.

Aug 9, 2023 / CEO / receipt, needs a key / Chris Sauer, CEO | earnings call 2023-08-09 | transcript b0a20c35-2317-42da-8d04-defe167ad47d | chars 24719-25499 | segment 25