And then there's some discretionary spend in here tied to customer-facing T&E and the investments that we're making tied to growth initiatives on a year-over-year basis.

Oct 30, 2024 / CEO / receipt, needs a key / Eric Ashelman, CEO | earnings call 2024-10-30 | transcript 0488827b-e640-41a1-9ef2-82f5c32c2f8e | chars 54943-55112 | segment 55