But obviously in an environment that we're sitting in, we are seeing the benefit of reduced levels of spending on some of the discretionary spend or things like travel, Our marketing events have moved online, and so you save some of the in-person costs and the cost of hosting those events, and we have moved those online, but then there are some savings that's related to that.

Jul 22, 2020 / CEO / receipt, needs a key / Michael Graham, CEO | earnings call 2020-07-22 | transcript 07a92947-01b7-4795-befd-6c6791a2ff2f | chars 44879-45257 | segment 44